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The purpose of this thread is to discuss the possibility of adding or re-adding clans from Classic. There is no guarantee that more clans/ groups will be added and there is no guarantee that the ideas talked about on this thread will happen.
Please remember to be respectful and courteous in your replies. If you come off too harsh you will be reminded to keep a respectful tone or told to take a break. We may lock the thread if it gets too chaotic - this is not a punishment but an opportunity to relax and think. It will be unlocked later.
Stats to keep in mind: - The Overhaul vote was overwhelmingly in favor of keeping the clans the same (18 votes to 9 for overhauling). - The top three clans voted for in the Design A Clan contest were SwiftClan, Noxhelm Village, and Tribe of Whispering Mountains. EDIT: See a special note on Noxhelm HERE. The 4th place clan was MeadowClan. - We consistently have over 100 members joining the site per year. - The vote to delete clans was in August, only five months ago.
We have the stability to support two more clans - but does that mean we should add any? Would you want to bring back a recently deleted clan or a newly created DAC clan?
Note: This thread is set to end 1/23 if it is not still active (if there's still debate, we'll extend the deadline). Voting will last a week and end the 30th.
Voting can be found HERE. Feel free to continue talking on this thread!
Edited Jan 23, 2020 23:56:45 GMT -5 By Cleaver | Reason: voting link
Honestly part of me wants to be like ‘let’s add at least one more clan’ ‘cuz Noxhelm Village was awesome and I’d play there like my life depends on it, but also like... we just got over the whole overhaul thing 😂😂😂 and I’m personally of the mind that activity’s improved because we have less clans than we did. I mean granted, that awkward time between the DAC and the vote was kinda inactive, but now that we’re at a somewhat stable place, I dunno.
Lowkey this has been the biggest ramble but:
TL;DR I don’t think I support adding more Clans right now (I really wanna see what happens with activity with what we have rn) but if we did add more clans, choosing the new clans would be dope.
I’d really like if we could bring WaterClan or another water based group back in, even ask that StormClan one of the ones from DAC to be added in if we don’t want to re add WaterClan or the other water based clans back. While I do like the idea of adding another group, besides PI and RR none of the other past groups seemed to have much staying power. I’ve been told at length that Toxicity would not go well if it made a return. Though CrowClan sounded interesting to try, but it is admittedly a clan with rev group tendencies XD. There sadly isn’t any groups aside our current ones from previous times that seem to invoke much enthusiasm that don’t end in ‘clan’.
I’d also put my thoughts out for adding in swiftclan the top votedfrom DAC with all the open survival clan territory plenty of room for a nomadic group to move around and annoy a returning WaterClan or other new group/clan that resettled there as well.
I’m personally of the mind that activity’s improved because we have less clans than we did. I mean granted, that awkward time between the DAC and the vote was kinda inactive, but now that we’re at a somewhat stable place, I dunno.
Just a quick note here c:
I was doing some research earlier comparing September-December 2018 (right after we moved platforms) to September-December 2019 (right after we deleted four clans) and got these numbers: Sept 1 to Dec 31: 2018 had 6,348 rp posts 2019 had 6,827 rp posts
So activity has actually only barely changed. I did not run a t-test but i would guess it isn't a significant difference
Actually I think it only improving slightly has been primarily due to everyone being unwilling to get much going with the potential for overhaul hanging over everyone’s heads. So the fact it didn’t drop below what it was despite all the hurdles before it shows that while we probably shouldn’t jump back to 14, I think we could start considering one or two to be added.
We could also consider activity over a different period of time: Ie: Jan - March? Comparing this year to last year: as the numbers could be considered more representative of each years activity in that time frame (no overhaul hanging overhead in 2020, getting into the groove of things back in 2019) So like start thinking which ones we’d add back, or add in from DAC and then look at the numbers again.
Or just add one soon and look at the numbers later to see if we should add one more.
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POSTEDJan 19, 2020 1:19:58 GMT -5 TO General Discussion
lmao im an idiot let’s move on don’t reply to threads before you really wake up folks
As for actual opinions on the subject matter :
1. Under no circumstance should we bring back a clan that was deleted within the last year. All but WaterClan were deleted for a reason - chronic activity problems. Even WaterClan, the crowd favorite, had serious activity problems for a long long time.
2. Just because we have activity to add clans doesn’t mean we should, PARTICULARLY so close to the Overhaul vote. We need to stabilize again from that. This is my primary reason for saying no.
3. If we were to add clans, it should only be one at a time to see how activity fluctuates with it. A. I also think we should treat it as an experiment if we add a clan, honestly. Do like a six month test run, and if the newly added clan is still poppin’, great, it can stay, but if not, we should be able to remove it. Maybe run a vote or something after the period. The actual time length of the experiment doesn’t really matter, it just should be long enough to account for the fact a lot of people might instantly rp in the group because it’s new and exciting, but this could progressively change.
4. If we are to add a clan, it absolutely MUST be the winner(s) of the contest. The winners of the contest were the clans the site was most excited about, and they must be the first ones that are added. A. I hesitate from bringing a group back from the dead because they ya know uh got deleted for chronic inactivity so what’s to say that won’t be the exact same ? I love CrowClan and would drop anything to lead it again, but I’m not sure it’s a good idea. B. I know there’s a desire for another clan to become more water-bases, and i think this is very possible for any of the current clans to do ? A clan or group doesn’t have to have a water themed name for a territory revamp that would include lots of water / traditions about the water / etc.
ULTIMATELY, I don’t think we should be having this conversation now. The Overhaul was overwhelmingly voted against. If it was closer, I could see the importance of the discussion now, but as it is, I just don’t think it’s the time? I’m not against adding a new clan persay , I just definitely think we need to give the site some recovery time from the Overhaul.
(Please let me know if something didn’t make sense, I’m doing this from my phone.)
I agree that waterclan had some problems with activity. But to be fair so did moon and fall before they got their stride back. And there was extenuating circumstances in water's case. Remember we put those three in storage as most of their staff didn't move to freeforums with them. They were stuck in a slow comebackbut water came back with cleave and simply. It was honestly making a slow recovery but was kinda cut down with the rest just because. Water got struck down because it was easy to agree to just cut out survival without really looking at the numbers. AL was always on the chopping block,brook was dying, earth was ehhhh?
While it had activity trouble, there were extenuating circumstances for water that those other three didnt haveand it was slowly but surely coming back.
My stance is this, I'm happy to add or not add a clan/ group/ tribe from the winners of the Design a Clan contest.
What I am not happy to do is to wait or do trial runs. We were in a limbo state, not knowing if the Overhaul was happening or not for five months. This massively injured our activity and many members reported feeling uninspired, unmotivated, and overall low interest towards rping until Classic would arrive in a more stable place. Right now, Classic is stable, but if we don't make a 100% positive decision that we're adding or not adding a clan it will only be detrimental to our website and I will not support it.
What this means is, if you want an extra clan, great, if you don't want an extra clan, great. But I want a firm decision, not "Let's do a trial run" or "let's decide in the summer."
Personally, I would love to add SwiftClan
SwiftClan
- Most voted for clan in the Design a Clan
- SwiftClan is unique, it has a different culture than any clans we ever have given it's nomadic behavior of traveling to different grounds
- Has enough wiggle room for the culture to be expanded upon
- Allows for new rping opportunities, since they travel to rogue lands, it would be a fun plot device for our clans randomly get a new neighbor and for us to react to them
- Cleaver, the creator, could become leader, this way a deputy can learn the culture of the clan and no one is being thrown into unknown territory
I agree with your picks Faith... but I’d rather we left StormClan as a clan. It was a clan when it was voted for after all. Plus it’s a nice ring two ‘s’ clans being added. The shifting clans XD
I do see where you’re coming from though on this being something we decide now rather than wait. But it does go strongly against my preference towards trialing stuff and seeing what works. But in this case while it could be good on paper if we trialed them and they wound up inactive role players will have gotten attached and then have it yanked away from them even if it was known that was a possibility. Which could lead to people avoiding it all together.
And waiting could lead to people feeling frustrated who like me want the return of a water based clan. Or were very hype for swiftclan as it was very unique and a fun concept and would fit very well in where the survival clans old territory is (plenty of room for a nomadic group to move around)
I feel like adding two actual clans is the best way to go, and I’d love to join SwiftClan. I only say this because I know that I never join the groups that are not “regular” (and I say this loosely, because all of the clans stray from a traditional warrior clan pretty much) but I’m here to roleplay Warriors rather than just cats in general. Not that I dislike PI or RR, just not my cup of tea. And that being said, we could always have an “evil” clan that does have Warrior values.
I'm going to have to respectfully side with Skelly and Ian here and say I don't support the addition of new clans right now, even though I just re-joined. From my understanding, the DAC contest was created with an overhaul in mind. There's even a disclaimer at the top saying the overhaul isn't guaranteed to happen. And the vote has happened, and the overall isn't happening. The site just voted against it, activity has not yet balanced out now that we've left the limbo of 'is this going to happen or not', and we don't know how activity trends will go in the coming months.
Adding a clan, and all the start-up involved, might take away activity from other struggling clans. Or whatever clan is added could not take off at all in terms of activity.
To me, it doesn't seem beneficial or appropriate to add any clans right now. It doesn't feel like the right time to have this conversation. It makes sense to wait before having this conversation.
I agree with Ian's points: that if we add clans we should use some of the most voted for clans in the DAC Contest (even if we don't use swiftclan... though i'm definitely biased toward it cx) given those were the ones we voted for. For the same reason, I don't think we should be changing groups - ie turning a clan into a group - since that isn't what was voted for. I'm not a big fan of reviving the deceased groups sine they were all deleted because they had chronic activity issues that probably aren't about to change.
I'm pretty neutral about the addition of clans otherwise. I do not want to have this conversation later, like the other admins mentioned: this is our chance and we are not going to have this discussion again in a few months.
(Also I've updated the list of clans in the first post c:)
What exactly is stopping us from having this conversation later? The only reason I can see against it is that people just don't want to have a conversation later. It's not like the overhaul, where it hangs over the site and makes everyone uneasy. This is an easily postpone-able conversation that I can't see a valid reason for denying even the possibility of having later. Why does this have to be now or never? Who decides that?
Though I don't support the addition of any clans, if groups were to be added I do concur that they should be from the contest. However, I don't think adding groups is going to give us a different result than just bringing back old groups. The issue wasn't something intrinsically wrong with the clans, so the issue won't be fixed by removing Earthclan and adding Swiftclan. The issue was, and is, too many groups for too few members. Taking clans away just to add new ones back immediately does nothing to remedy the issue. We should focus on the clans we have now instead of jumping to the addition of new clans.
The reason we don't want to have this later is just the stress it's been causing users. You're completely right that this isn't the overhaul - but that doesn't make it easy to talk about. There's still a lot of uncertainty surrounding the addition of a clan that could cause problems. For example, in the event we do make SwiftClan, FallClan would lose their deputy so I could be SwC's leader. Simply and I already talked about that and we're on good terms if it happens, but six months down the line or with a different clan, that might not be the case. It isn't fair to our staff to always be potentially threatening to create a new clan and take away their current staff or draw away activity.
Along with that, the time it takes to have these discussions and add/maintain new clans shouldn't be discounted. The staff talked about this discussion close to three times last week trying to prepare for what would happen, and we need to be here to moderate it as well, so we don't fall back into chaos as we have previously the dark days of August. Then we have to help create pages for the new clans if they don't have them already, promote leaders and find deputies, fill in spaces in the other clans, and help support the new staff. Even just creating the new clans placed a lot of stress on the staff and I don't want to make any of them go through that anytime soon. We all need a break.
A simpler reason is just that it won't make as much sense to be considering adding the DAC clans in, say, a year. Having a whole new contest would be exhausting again - but wouldn't it be strange to still be focused on adding clans that were created a year previous and the original creator (who knows the lore) might be gone or uninterested in leading? I'd rather have this conversation now while we're interested.
I'm not saying we never re-add a clan, but these last six months have been extremely turbulent for the site and there's been a lot of disenchanted feelings when you don't know what clans will exist tomorrow. I want us to have an opportunity to be stable before we try again, so let's wait at least a year before talking about adding clans again and let everyone rest. c:
We're having this discussion now because some of the users expressed interest in wanting to discuss ways of introducing some of the winning clans. I personally don't care either way if we add a clan or don't. What I care about is coming to a quick decision so that the site can just go back to normal. This week from what I've seen has been more active than the last month (I don't have the numbers so I'm not sure please don't come for me.)
I'm just happy to finally be out of limbo and don't have any desire to be shoved back into it. But, basically my main point of this is, we're having this conversation because people wanted this conversation. So by all means please converse, if you have ideas or opinions now is the time to express them.
Post by simplylight on Jan 19, 2020 17:46:11 GMT -5
I second everything cleav has said. So many of us are so stressed and I always feel like I have to worry about my clan getting deleted or replaced. I think we just need a long break from adding/deleting.
Right now, the site is doing very well. We just got out of that limbo state and now everyone is doing make-overs for their clans. I don't think we should add any at the moment. I think it's still rather soon after the vote. However, if we want to add in another clan in a few more months after everyone has adjusted and finished their clan make-overs, I think we could have another discussion and decide from there. I like Faith's point. We shouldn't do a trial. I think we should just hold off for now and then decide. We have clans right now struggling with activity still and if we bring in another clan, that could make it so much harder for those clans. Classic is finally at a good spot where majority of the clans are active and new plots and make-overs are going on and we are all excited for those. I say we wait until things start to slow down.
Now, that being said. If we did decide to add another group/clan/tribe, I think it should be tribe. NOT because the one I entered into DAC was a tribe but because we haven't had one of those in a while. At least not since I have been back. We already have 8 clans and 2 groups. I think it would be best if we added a tribe or 2. That way we have a little bit of everything. And if people want a water clan so badly, maybe one of the tribes can be water based.
The main argument here is whether or not we have the activity to handle the addition of new clans. Personally, as one of the people who has been advertising Classic to the best of my abilities, I do not believe we do. However, I do want to bring up something that was mentioned on Skype a week ago. The merging of the Pride Clans. I know that Prideclan wasn't among the top voted, but doing so would open up the spaces we would need to add new clans, without actually adding to the number of them or deleting any current ones (not that this was ever an option). We won't have to worry about if we can handle the activity or not, and I personally believe that if we were to go through with adding new clans, this would be the best option for us.
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